MGU 66 | Independent Media


The beauty around being human is how connected we all are with our experiences. No matter how different, we all feel the same range of emotions that, too often, we think we are the only ones experiencing. That is why there is a sense of comfort from hearing someone who seems like they have it all figured out go through the same struggles we do. In this episode, Jason Wrobel and Whitney Lauritsen have a conversation with Luke Storey — a motivational speaker, kundalini yoga and meditation teacher, world-class biohacker, host of The Life Stylist Podcast, and founder of the world’s first and only online fashion school for stylists, School of Style. With all the titles under his name, no one would even suspect that he also has his moments of ‘not-enoughness.’ He shares the journey and struggles he has been through and touches on the importance of telling stories authentically and freely, especially those that inspire and help others in their own life experiences. Speaking of authenticity, Luke then takes us deeper into independent media and the freedom of speech. He tackles the nature of subjective truth versus absolute truth and how our experience of the world and the freedom attached to it is being threatened by the powers that be. Covering as well a range of topics, Jason, Whitney, and Luke then talk about couples’ intimacy in this time of the pandemic, mental and emotional health, self-awareness and honesty, wellness and human optimization through biohacking, and more.

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Living Out Your Truth: On Independent Media, Freedom Of Speech, And More With Luke Storey

Luke, I have a couple of things that I want to bring into the light that I’ve never admitted to you and also that our readers would be super interested to know about you. Number one is you were doing this before we hit the record button. You are a badass guitar player. People may not know this about you because you’re doing so much incredible work with wellness, mindfulness, biohacking and health in general. The first time I heard you play guitar, you were sharing some snippets on Instagram. I’m like, “This dude has the blues in him.” I don’t know much about your musical history but when you rip off some blues riffs, I feel like I’m bromancing on you a little bit when you work that out. For real, you’re a good guitar player.

That’s nice to hear. Thank you. I appreciate that. Truthfully, I’m a bass player. When I stopped playing in bands a few years ago, I still had a beautiful ‘71 Fender Jazz Bass, great old vintage Ampeg tube amp, and SVT. Any bass players in the audience will know exactly what that is. I had the perfect bass rig and I used it for many years. I realized I do not like playing bass on my own, so I went and sold that gear and bought a couple of guitars and started playing guitar instead. It’s super fun and I’m glad that you enjoy it. I was talking to a friend of mine. His name is Doyle Bramhall, who’s a real musician. He plays with Clapton, Roger Waters and all these people. He’s a fantastic musician.

I wanted to work through some of my insecurities around music with him because it’s always been a place where my ego flares up not in thinking that I’m awesome, but the contrary side of ego where I feel a loser and that I’m not good enough. I was talking to him about that because he’s such an accomplished musician and gifted. He has been playing in bands forever. I said, “I get insecure around you because you’re good and I compare myself with people like you and I suck.” He looked at me like I was nuts and goes, “Music is music. Some of my favorite musicians are African tribesmen who play a one-string instrument that’s not even tuneable. It’s about the feeling, not the technique.”

Sometimes because I’m not trained and I don’t have any technique, classical music training or background or anything, I get shy about it. That’s one of the reasons that I make myself play a lot on Instagram is to work through that insecurity and let it rip and always remember that thing that my friend, Doyle, told me, “It’s all about the feeling, not about your technical prowess.” He hearkened back to some of the ‘80s metal guitar players. They’re technicians but it doesn’t have a lot of feeling some of the time. That’s nice to hear. Thank you. I will continue to present my musical ideas to the world and I’m glad to know that it doesn’t sound like a train wreck to at least one person.

I love that you admitted how you feel that not enoughness because that comes up so much on this show. Our first freebie on our website at is called You Are Enough because not-enoughness is one of, if not the biggest challenge that we saw people facing. It’s such a beautiful thing when someone like yourself, admits that openly because it gives other people permission to talk about it openly, but also lets them know that they’re not alone. It’s always interesting when you hear somebody that you perceive as being good at something, say that they don’t feel they’re good at it or good enough at it.

It also reminds me, Luke, of your podcast because Jason and I were listening to it for reference when we were starting to work on this show. We were inspired by the first episode that you ever did where you told your whole story. It was your entire life history and we used your podcast as the model for our second and third episodes, where each of us shared our life stories. It was because of you that we felt free to do that. I remember listening to your story in the car with Jason, I can’t remember, but it was fascinating to hear you share about your life and where you came from. I wanted to give you a shout out for that and gratitude as well, plus encourage our reader to read to that episode of yours because it’s such a good backstory for who you are.

Thank you. I appreciate that. I was working with my writing coach because I’m in the beginning stages of birthing a book. With the way we’re working is coming up with all of this content that’s already been archived, because I’ve been running my mouth for years, so a lot of what I would probably say in a book has been said. It needs to be wrangled together. That episode was one of the ones that I made a transcript of. I sent it to her and she was like, “This is nuts. Your story’s crazy. You might not have to write anything. Put this out.” I’m not going to do that because I’ve grown in the past four years, but it was cathartic as a practice. I bullet-pointed out some of the more meaningful, transformative experiences in life and it was good to be able to do that. It was my first real step into vulnerability and authenticity even though not many people were listening back then, with the exception of maybe you two and ten others.

Nonetheless, I was publicly saying for the first time that I had issues with drug abuse, childhood trauma and all of these things that I didn’t go into much detail on them. I outed myself on some things that I had some shame or embarrassment around. It was an amazing experience to do that because I got so much positive feedback from the few people that did hear it. They felt authorized to be more revelatory about their own experiences and to let go of some of the stigmas around these common human experiences. Based on that, I’ve kept pushing the envelope and talking about things that are more intimate and more personal and trying to do them in a tactful way possible.

The more that I am transparent about that, the more positive feedback I get. What’s trippy about that, a short tangent here because it’s something valuable about independent media like ours is that we can say whatever we want. Although if you talk about immunizations, that’s the new word I’m using for vaccines, you might get taken off the internet for saying, “Is this safe? I’m only asking.” When people that are making independent media are able to talk about things in a real, unedited, vulnerable way, it opens up the conversation for others to explore these things.

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There’s deep healing in that and something that’s needed. Because these shameful experiences that many of us have, or that we make up about ourselves that are kept secret are kept alive by being kept in the shadows. When we can come out and talk about mental illness, addiction issues, eating disorders, and all of the different psychological, emotional and spiritual pathologies that many of us suffer from that’s where the healing is. It’s getting in there and each person that pushes the envelope in their transparency paves the way for the next and the next and so on. I’ve had such a great time since that first episode of seeing what I can get away with starting the show saying, “I suck at music,” so that’s why I keep doing it to get over that ego game. The real irony here is this cosmic joke.

The observation of my ego on how the things in my life I felt people would reject me or abandon me for, such as some of my current faults or past experiences. These are the things that draw people to me and gain me even more approval than what I would have gotten from people at large had I not revealed those things. Do you see what I mean? It’s ironic. The things that we hide from people publicly because we’re ashamed and we think will be rejected are the things that once we start talking about them, make people love us even more. I’m always shocked and pleasantly surprised that that is the case.

In other words, there’s nothing for any of us to be ashamed of as long as you’re working on yourself and making an effort to raise your consciousness and improve your behavior, worldview, character, and raising your consciousness and doing good things in the world. You can get away with being transparent, real and people are starving for that authenticity, especially in today’s climate of so much fake propaganda in the media. Many people are waking up now and realizing that they’ve been living in a matrix and it’s up to people like us that are in charge of our own content, voice, and point of view to make it safe for everyone to come out of the shadows and be who they are warts and all.

First of all, thank you for that incredibly in-depth perspective of you doing something that is often counterintuitive. Especially being in a place like LA, or necessarily being in the health, wellness, and human optimization field as we all are. I’ve certainly felt this pressure, not so much now, but certainly in the past, especially the beginning of my career. We have an old episode on this about people calling themselves experts, masters, gurus, or whatever it is and using these terminologies to try and have a level of importance or authority. To your point, opening up and showing people exactly who you are is the power and the magnetism of that and not doing it as a sales or as a marketing strategy, “I’m about to get vulnerable.” I see that a lot too. If you’re telling me you’re about to get vulnerable, you’re telegraphing it, instead of being vulnerable.

To me, one of the gems that I want to dig into with you, Luke and Whitney is especially now, the idea of truth and the difference on a level of, do both of you believe that there are omnipresent universal truths? That one’s truth is personal and subjective and are those two things mutually exclusive? Can they go together? When you talk about independent media, there’s so much information being bombarded to us every single day. Not only talking about COVID but the freedom of speech, the deleting of content and independent media. When we talk about truth and sharing our truth, is it an omnipresent universal truth that we’re disseminating? Is it a truth based on our own experience?

I absolutely unequivocally know that within the realm of consciousness, there exist timeless universal truths or principles that have always been true and will always be true and are fundamentally stable and unchanging. There’s also the subjective relationship that each one of us has with those truths or principles. That’s where it gets fun because you have theology, psychology, spirituality, and all of the great teachings throughout time. Each individual point of awareness of consciousness in humans that are expressing in their interpretation of or their experience with that universal truth. This is why we see many through lines and parallels between all of the different seemingly unrelated teachings.

I interviewed Joe Dispenza and I had been aware of him for a long time. I started doing a deep dive in his work and I’m going, “This is all Kundalini Yoga and a touch of this and a touch of that, but especially the meditations and the practices.” I asked him that and he was like, “It’s all the same stuff because in the realm of consciousness in the quantum field, that universal, unchanging truth exists there. All answers from the beginning of time to the end of time, for all time, in no time, nowhere, no person, and know-how is all there.” We, as these antennae, for what we perceive to be the present moment, which is a misnomer because there’s one moment that goes on and on. It has always been. It’s like one timestamp in that one big now that each has the opportunity of using our physical brains as antennae to perceive information, take in information, and do what we want with it. That’s what makes life interesting.

That’s what the purpose of our free will is. We can, at any moment, do what we think is the right thing based on our interpretation of truth. It’s humanity’s greatest gift, but it’s also our greatest folly because we’re easily misled by our own innate desires, whether they be for significance or pleasure or to avoid death, which is what all fear ultimately is about. We’re interesting creatures because we have this tether to spirit and truth that’s always there, but we also have free will that allows us to run amok and make all sorts of crap up. The game of life is fine-tuning your receiver, which is that connection between your heart and your brain and creating that coherence between the two so that you can become more aligned and better at perceiving the true from the false and differentiating the true from the false.

There’s a falsehood that’s created by our own minds based on past experiences that the defense mechanisms of the human brain are endless and boundless. The things that they make up, the story that the mind makes up about what we perceive never stops. Until we get right with who we are, as this point of consciousness and understanding that we are all one thing, having an individual experience and not as a mental construct or something we read in a book. Using meditation and different practices to access that place where we’re still there, but everything else is also there. That’s when we can start to discern true from the false and fine-tune our intuition because we feel it in our heart or in our gut when people say, “My heart’s not in this,” or, “I have a gut feeling.” It’s a real thing and we’ve been given all of the senses for a reason. That reason is to be able to learn how to discern what’s true and what’s not true, and use our free will to steer our little ships closer to universal truth.

MGU 66 | Independent Media

Independent Media: These shameful experiences that many of us have are kept alive by being hidden in the shadows.


We might find that through Kabbalah, Ayahuasca, TM, Catholicism, Hinduism or every-ism. Every window into the mansion of God gets you to the same place. What appeals to your personality, family lineage and ancestry that’s in your DNA, you might gravitate toward one particular style of teaching. There’s this popular thing with the Tim Ferriss types, the Stoicism, which to me sounds a little bit too much like atheism, but it’s not. It’s finding truth in stillness and not having attachments. You could tie that to some of the fundamental truths in Buddhism. Once you start to play in these waters and find what your flavor is, you find that all of the truths are all there. They’re represented in different ways. They’re different strokes with different colors of paint, but they all create the same mosaic and it’s all the same painting. It’s all part of that universal consciousness.

My job for many years has been to align myself with spiritual truths as close as I possibly can and to stay in alignment with those. For me, the fundamental truths are the ones that are represented by the twelve steps and they’re super simple and clear. They’re not ambiguous at all. Be brutally and radically honest with yourself, accepting things that you can’t change, using courage to change the things you can, and have a willingness to evolve and grow. Have deep open-mindedness, not liberal mindedness, where you’re not only willing to entertain ideas that are foreign and new to you and might threaten your framework of how you think things work. Also, to discard ideas that you once held to be true that have proven themselves to be false. Have an inbox and an outbox in your mind and in your belief systems where you’re willing to discard things as they become less useful.

A new principle of service of serving others and getting out of self-centeredness and selfishness. The principle of restitution of making amends when you’ve harmed others and to do your best not to continue to do so. Practice prayer and meditation in your life. These are the fundamental basic principles in the twelve steps. Why I love that model is because it’s simple and it’s devoid of any theology. I’m not trying to preach and tell people, “Join a twelve-step group.” That just happens to be how I found my spirituality because of my issues with addiction and things like that in the past. It’s still the foundation of my life and who I am because it’s simple and it doesn’t require you to buy into any particular system. The twelve steps in and of themselves are a system but there are no dues or fees. There’s nothing that makes you a member of the twelve steps or not. They’re a group of concepts or truths that one can apply in a number of different ways.

Also, what’s beautiful is that one can apply whether they even have ever been addicted to anything or have any pathology that’s manifesting in ways that are self-destructive. It’s like, “Who doesn’t want to be more honest with themselves, serve others more, admit when you’re wrong more, and be aware of what your shortcomings or your character defects are, and work towards the improvement of those?” If you know you’re passive-aggressive sometimes and you’re able to be honest with yourself about that, what a great thing to be able to start to become aware of when you’re doing that and knock it off. Not only think or believe, but I know there are universal truths that are absolutely unmovable, unshakable, and foundational to who and what we are. The beauty is in our interpretation of it and that’s what’s terrifying about the censorship of the free press and free speech that we’re seeing. The fundamental human right of interpreting our experience in the ways in which we do and then sharing that interpretation of our experience with the world at large is being stymied by the powers that be.

We’re the ones that have put those entities into power like the one we’re looking at each other on. That’s something that people need to take seriously because, without our fundamental ability and right to take in life as we live it, build our awareness based on the perception of things that we experience, and to share that experience, we’re truly not free. That’s a gift and a right that God has given every sentient being, which is to be able to move through the world and your incarnation and determine what it all means, and share with others how you see it. I’m more concerned with free speech and free press for the people that I don’t agree with. That’s a lot of people, media and politics, etc. I don’t think they are in alignment with the truth at all. Many of them are quite nefarious, if not evil, in many cases. I want them to be able to say whatever they can say because when you silence one, you silence all eventually.

That’s where it always ends up. I wouldn’t even consider myself that much of a history buff, but I do know the fundamental and incremental steps that go into the fascist totalitarian regimes of removing all human rights and ultimately slaughtering a lot of innocent people. One of the first things that happen is silencing dissent, silencing intellectuals, and killing people that wear glasses. We’ve seen this before, people, and it starts with the burning of books, burning of records, shutting down of websites and in this digital age of deleting people’s YouTubes, LinkedIn and stuff. It’s like, “Whoa.” I invited David Icke on my podcast, for example, and I’m fascinated by his work. Some of the things he talks about are valid and have proven themselves to be true. Some of them are a little out there. I don’t necessarily agree, but it’s interesting nonetheless. He’s someone that deserves to say whatever he wants, and then we’re working on scheduling and stuff.

I see Brian Rose from London Real be the platform of all of these things. That’s how he makes a living because he allowed someone, God forbid, to present a point of view that is counter to the mainstream narrative, which is about this whole COVID-19 thing and all that. Even if he was someone I adamantly disagreed with. For example, many of the points of view on a network like CNN or Fox or any of them, to me in my heart and my gut, I’m like, “That’s not true.” You know you’re being lied to sometimes. I would defend to the death there to present their points of view. That’s where it gets crazy when it comes to what’s true and what’s not true. That’s up to each individual to decide. That is our fundamental human right to be able to hear all sides of every story and determine for ourselves as each individual what we believe and what we don’t believe. No one has the right to silence that.

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In my opinion, unless what you’re saying is going to lead to physical violence against another person. In other words, like, “I’m on my way to your house to shoot you,” or whatever kind of threat. That’s why this amazing country that we have in the United States still exists and why many amazing innovations, some of the best art ever, an amazing mix of people we have from all different cultures and races from all over the world are all here and have been successful as we’ve been. It’s because of those fundamental allowances such as the First Amendment. That’s the framework of this country. I’m aware that there’s a sad, imperialistic beginning to this country and that’s unfortunate. I acknowledge that but we are where we are. What has made America an incredible place to live and be has been the amount of freedom that we’ve had here. When you see that freedom taken away, it’s like, “First they do it here, then where else does it go after that?”

I’m not being paranoid. If you look at history, there’s definitely a sequence of events that have historically taken place. The good news is that for the time being, we still have independent media like you and I. We can have these conversations freely. If they get stifled by the channels on which we’re sharing them, then we’ll find new channels and we’ll find a way. In other words, it’s too late to put the genie back in the bottle. Too many people are awake now and are aware of the censorship. Even people that have a modicum of common sense can realize, “I hate that guy, so he should be censored because I don’t agree with him.” A lot of people are going crap. A lot of moderate people are also being censored that aren’t radical at all like a Brian Rose. That guy’s a middle of the road personality in my estimation, but by him giving the stage to someone who’s more controversial, he’s been shutting down. That’s got to be alarming to some people where they’re going to stand up, build new platforms and not put up with the crap. We each deserve to interpret reality as we wish and share it as widely as we feel we want to or need to.

I wanted to ask you about mental and emotional health amidst all this, Luke. One conversation I’ve been having with mutual friends of ours and colleagues in the wellness industry, and regular people that we talk to on the feeds. It seems that this deluge of information that we’re all facing can wreak havoc on people’s sense of mental balance and mental health. It’s almost like they’re not sure what to believe or they feel overwhelmed by feelings of chaos, stress and overwhelm. I’m curious in terms of mental and emotional wellness in navigating this current situation. What are some things that you recommend for people staying good mentally and for being able to trust that intuition and barometer within themselves? How do people develop that? How do you suggest people stay mentally healthy? What are some things you’re doing?

It’s funny because I’m not doing anything different in terms of immune function and staying healthy physically for however real this threat is or not. I’m uncertain as to the validity of the physical element and what’s going on with all that. It’s another conversation. In terms of staying healthy physically, emotionally, mentally and spiritually, I’m doing the same stuff that I’m always doing. Whether or not there’s a pandemic in the world or not, if I don’t live my life the way that I’ve learned to live it, I’ll create a pandemic in my own mind. I’ll be living under anxiety, confusion, doubt and fear about life in general, even when everything’s on the up and up. Practices like meditation, doing breathwork and making sure that I get out into nature, everything I do to support myself. Human connection, something as simple as I make an effort to make sure I give my girlfriend long hugs many times a day. If she wasn’t in my life, I would hug my dog more or ask a couple of friends to come over like, “I need some hugs. Get over here,” whatever the case may be.

Even having a human connection like this that’s virtual, I don’t believe there’s any separation between where you’re sitting in Los Angeles and where I’m sitting. That separation is perceived, whether it’s on the phone or in-person or whatever. Many people are put off by the word, God, and it’s the easiest word for me to say when I talk about it. I don’t want to be apologetic either, but I always want people to be able to find their own relationship with whatever it is that created all of this and is keeping all of these plates spinning. It’s keeping the universe alive, moving and stable. I call it God. Anyone that doesn’t relate with that word, think about what makes an acorn become an oak tree. Did you do that? No. Something did that. I don’t know what it is and I don’t purport to know what it is, but I know it wasn’t me. There’s the existence of an energy field that’s around us all the time. The more I keep myself connected to that, whether by praying inside using words or feeling into my heart and feel that connection with the creation and with nature.

I even sit down and talk to God in dialogue, reading spiritual books, and doing all kinds of different meditations. I’ve tried every meditation I’ve ever heard of and I do some of them for a while then I move on to a different one. I use all sorts of different neuro tools. There are a lot of technologies that assist with raising your level of consciousness and your spiritual perception. I have all sorts of different guided meditations and neuro acoustic tracks. I’m wearing this thing on my ankle called the Apollo. It’s this vibrating machine developed by a PhD neuroscientist named David Rabin, who’s on my podcast. He’s a psychotherapist that works with psychedelics and an amazing guy. He invented this thing using these different frequencies of vibration that can elicit a different mood. The one I have is social and open, and it makes you feel lubricated and as if you had half a glass of wine. It’s crazy.

The stuff that’s coming out that can assist, whether it’s natural or more in the biohacking realm. I do everything and I find that the things that move the needle for me most would be a meditation of whatever type. Taking ice baths is my number one nervous system balancer and regulator of feeling a little anxiety or a little depression. If you get an ice bath for five minutes that’s 40 degrees, that crap is gone. You get out and you have a whole new perspective. Doing breathwork, the Kundalini Yoga, and all these things. Most of the good things people sometimes refer to as bio hacks or spirit hacks, as I like to call them, are free. They have to do with aligning ourselves with spirit, something greater than ourselves, something other than our animal nature and those instincts that are often threatened and run us into the ground.

I can totally relate to the awkwardness of trying to figure out what word to use, whether it’s God or spirit or universe. I always struggle with that, too. I find it interesting because it’s such a touchy subject in a way, but it doesn’t need to be. It’s such a great example of how words are all about our individual perception. They’re relative to our own experiences. I found myself so much in my life, trying to say things the right way. I don’t want to offend somebody and I want to feel understood. One of the benefits for each of us and for anyone who’s creating content online, whether it’s a podcast or social media or blog post, is you begin to realize that you can upset somebody no matter what you say. You might as well use whatever word makes sense for you.

I like the way that you handled it, which was to put it into context. It doesn’t have to be an apology and if somebody gets offended, hopefully, they’re open to having a conversation about it. You were talking about how one of your strengths is empathy and perhaps it’s that you don’t want to hurt anybody. You’re empathetic to how they feel and I can relate to that. It’s like this fear of accidentally offending somebody, but at the same time, it can also get in the way of us confidently expressing ourselves. It’s such a delicate balance.

MGU 66 | Independent Media

Independent Media: The defense mechanisms of the human brain are endless and boundless. The stories that the mind makes up about what we perceive just never stops.


I’ve had a difficult time with that because, for me, I didn’t get into spirituality with any baggage in that area. I wasn’t raised with any religion or having to go to church or synagogue or anything like that. In 1997 when I put myself in the position to have to get sober and check myself into rehab, I asked them for medication the morning that I woke up the first day. I went in to try to get some meds. I’m like, “Do you guys have any Dilaudid or anything?” They said, “No, you’re in good shape. We took your vitals and you don’t need any of that.” I said, “I can’t do this.” They said, “What we suggest is you go in your dorm room and pray.” I was like, “What? Pray? What does that even mean?” Because I didn’t have any real baggage around the idea of there being a God or religion or prayer, it does not occur to me. It seemed dumb and a waste of time and doing drugs is much faster when you don’t feel right.

I had no other choice, so I went into that room and I did. I got on my hands and knees and I prayed like in the movies. I’m on my knees, leaning on the bed and I have my hands in front of me in prayer position. I’m like, “I feel stupid,” but I was in so much pain and I was desperate that I was willing to do it. At that moment, something happened to me. I knew that something had happened and it continued to happen up to this day. I opened my heart and my mind to something greater than myself. It changed me forever and continues to do so, I was set free from that bondage. My first religious or God experience was that moment. There was no way that I could deny that something supernatural had happened to me, so I’ve never had a problem with it. When I speak to other people that have baggage or preconceived ideas or they’re locked into some atheism or agnosticism or whatever, that you might have something useful to say to them that might be helpful. If you use the word God, then they’re like, “I’m done listening,” and they shut it down.

It’s not so much that I’m embarrassed or people are going to think I’m a kook or religious fanatic because I’m not even religious. It’s that I want to find the most useful way to communicate the truth that there is a benevolent, loving, all-knowing power and energy in our experience that we can connect to and receive help from. Whatever you want to call that, and that’s going back to the wisdom of the twelve steps. The way it was presented to me was, “Luke, you have to find a God of your own understanding.” I’m like that. I’m punk rock. I don’t want you to tell me what I have to believe. I’m a rebel too, as Jason is. I’m easy to use reverse psychology on. Tell me to do something you don’t want me to do vice versa, and it’ll happen completely. If you tell me, “Luke, here’s what we suggest. It’s a suggestion, not a rule. You seem to be not doing well in life and thousands of other people before you have been like you and completely lost. They’ve tried this formula and it’s worked for them. It’s a formula that you can make up. You just have to believe in something other than you and your ego.”

That’s always my position and I do stumble around sometimes like, “How can I say this in a way that doesn’t turn people off or sound weird?” On the other hand, I might start with the same God all the time because if someone’s not at a bottom and they haven’t failed at life enough where they can’t look past the word. Maybe they’ve got a good try to live life on their own terms for a while until the wheels fall off and then they’re like, “Call it whatever you want, just help me,” which is where I was. I was like, “God, whatever you got.” I always say I would have gone down to the airport and sold books at the Hare Krishna if I thought it was going to get me out of the mess I was in. I don’t think it is necessary even to use a word because there’s no word that can describe the thing that we’re trying to describe. It’s beyond words. It’s beyond description. It’s there. It’s a thing. It is all there is and it takes it even further.

What’s funny about it in my own experience and understanding is that it’s futile to try to find God or see God because there’s nothing else to see. In fact, it’s all that there is. Trying to find it misses the point because you have to find what’s not it, which is the intellect. It’s all it but the things that are blocking us from having that experience is our own preconceived ideas, intellect, trauma, closed-mindedness, lack of humility, arrogance, and spiritual pride. All of those things prevent us from seeing and experiencing what is always here and has always been here, which is the thing called God that doesn’t need a name. It doesn’t even need to be talked about. It needs to be experienced and you don’t need a church or religion or anyone to experience it. You can also experience it there because it is everywhere. Thank you, Whitney, for helping me to get over the habit of tiptoeing around that. It’s my experience. If you’re going to lose someone, you’re going to lose them and they’re going to find it their own way. They’re going to worship the God of intellect, science, or whatever appeals to them. Eventually, they’re going to end up in the same place when they leave this particular incarnation.

It’s interesting, too, because the idea of losing people is always interesting, especially for us in the social media world or podcasting world. It’s like, “We’re afraid they’ll never come back and if we lose people, then our whole careers are going away, and we get attached to the numbers.” It also is almost like coming from a place of the ego where we want to control people how they like us and controlling their perception of us or whether we all get along. There’s so much more freedom if we relax, let go, be ourselves, trust that the right people will stay, and try not to be too concerned with whether or not people agree with us at this time. I am interested in that.

I read a great book. If you’re interested, Luke, and anyone else reading, it’s called Status Anxiety. It talks about the history of our big desires and fears around status and anything like our numbers, how we get along socially in the hierarchies and all of that, and how it taps into many deep roots or cultural expectations and desires to survive. It’s always interesting when I can check-in and see like, “Why am I doing this or saying this in a certain way? Am I trying to control somebody else? Am I trying to protect myself? Am I trying to survive? Is it some old misconception?” That always helps me gain a lot of clarity on my own motivations and my actions and it gives me the freedom to let go, trust, be more myself, and less worried about how other people react to me.

An addiction that I’ve been working a long time to overcome is the addiction for approval and being liked. There are two sides to breaking it. One side is the awareness of it. That self-awareness and the self-honesty of going, “Why am I doing this? Why am I doing that? Why do I need people to like me and all that?” The other part is in uncovering and healing the shame, and this is my experience, that I picked up at various points in life that caused me to think that there’s something about me that is unlovable or unlikable. If those people don’t stay, whether they be on social media or real life or whatever, if I don’t get that approval, then that’s affirming the belief I had about myself that I’m not worthy of their love or friendship or whatever. It’s a major human hurdle that we all have to overcome. It’s tricky because nature is designed us to be social creatures.

There’s a reason why we fear rejection. Evolutionarily speaking, if we were rejected by our tribe of 50 or 60 people that we roamed around with, we would die of predation, weather, etc. We cannot survive alone. We need some tribe, family. It’s instilled in us by nature and by God, that instinct for wanting to be liked, accepted, feel safe and feel like we’re not going to be abandoned. We’re working against something. It’s like trying not to eat or drink water. It’s fundamental to who we are. Trying not to have sex is an even better example. It’s instilled in us as part of our survival mechanism and that’s where the higher self has to build these awareness and practices and use and exert our will to go like, “No, I’m going to be who I am.” Get on the other side of that and see like, “A few people left, but there’s a couple remaining and I only need a couple.”

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In one sense, comparatively, speaking of the evolutionary piece, we need fewer people than we used to because we’re all connected and integrated. We have the technology and we have all those things. We live in different types of communities and the world is populated and you have transportation. If one group doesn’t like you, I’m going down the block and there’s a new tribe, but we still have that fear. That fear is we’re only able to overcome that through that self-awareness and getting over it. It’s like when you walk down the street and you want to have sex with everyone. It doesn’t mean you have to do it. There’s a higher self-present also that can go, “It’s not appropriate. Don’t look at them that way. Don’t talk to them that way. Mind your manners and keep your genitals covered.” We’re able to have some authority over these impulses we have. Wanting to be liked, be approved of, accepted and not to be abandoned is a deep one. I’ve heard it a lot and continue to do so.

I’m personally passionate about the subject matter because like you, Luke, I have struggled a lot with that throughout my life and had that underlining story. It can often get triggered by social media or even podcasting or anything where I can measure how many people like, listen, or watch something. All of those metrics are challenging for me and yet, my career is intertwined with that because there are more pros than cons. It’s tough because your career is also your survival. You’re making money by doing all of these things. What I have to work on constantly and I enjoy talking about is being conscious of those reactions. Even for people that don’t use social media as part of their careers, it’s still tough. I hear it all the time. People want to get more likes on whatever platform they’re in and they get sucked in. A lot of these social media platforms or online platforms, in general, are based on that desire.

Anything in society, especially when it comes to the media or anything marketing-related as social media is, these companies are encouraging us to be concerned with status. The more that they can get us focused on the numbers, aware of how people perceive us and try to shape ourselves to get people to like us, it’s a huge part of our lives that we might not even realize until we step away and analyze it. It’s tough like anything like you were talking about addictions. It’s similar in some ways to being addicted to alcohol because that’s such a huge part of our culture. People go out and drink socially. If you have trouble with alcohol, it’s tough to disconnect from that. You have to have awareness, training, and support when something is that big in our society, especially if it’s related to how you socialize.

It’s interesting how you’re talking about the tech platforms, quite scientifically, hitting on that part of us that wants to be liked and be approved of. That’s the way that they suck you in because you present yourself in a certain way and then you get feedback on that. You start fine-tuning and editing the way that you present yourself to get that dopamine reward button hit again and again. Like, comment, follower. It’s smart in terms of marketing to make a sticky platform that keeps people engaged because they’ve figured out human nature and how hypnotic it is to be getting that instinct tapped on continually.

There’s so much data that’s been collected about what things we like and we respond to. It’s fascinating. Jason was sharing with me how he’s trying to be more aware of his privacy and that’s something we could touch upon. Jason, I know you want to get into a little bit about technology with Luke. We’ve gone on a lot of different segues or tangents. Jason, I’d love for you to share why you’ve been more concerned with your privacy online.

Part of this conversation of technology, freedom of speech, dissemination of truth, and this macro conversation we’ve been interweaving through together. I was watching a feed with David Wolfe and he was talking about how Apple, Google, TikTok, and a lot of these platforms are doing such a masterful job already of information gathering. Even on TikTok, they were discussing that the app is tracking our keystrokes, not just our search history, the terms we’re searching for, taking snapshots of the IP addresses and all of those things. On some of these platforms, they’re getting down to the keystroke. That was enough for me to go, “I need to be taking my privacy a little more seriously not because I’m necessarily sharing things that could get me in any kind of legal trouble.”

Although it may because I’ve been talking about conspiracy subjects and immunization, Luke, which I definitely want to touch on with you. More so, are there any things that I can do or put in place that can limit the amount of information that I am sharing with these entities and how they’re collecting it? One thing that I did was I stopped using Chrome with rare exceptions like this recording and I started using a browser called Brave. Apparently, Brave has safeguards in place where they’re not doing any information harvesting like Google is doing. Even small steps like that make me feel better about how I’m searching what I’m doing. Even small steps like getting a different browser, I feel more secure as a result of doing things like that.

Honestly, I’m behind on that thing. I probably have Siri, Alexa and all these things listening to me fart walking around the house and have no idea. It’s crazy the amount of data that tech is collecting and sharing for a number of different reasons. Honestly, I’ve been lazy around tech privacy, researching different browsers to use, and making sure that my devices are all turned off. I’ve never even been the guy who puts tape over my video cam. Even normies do that and I’m like, “What are you going to do?” I don’t know what to do about that particular piece exactly because I feel like you’d have to take many steps to privatize your life truly. You’d have to divorce yourself from so much technology or go to great efforts to stop it.

Apart from using a completely different browser, there’s no way of testing to see if your efforts are completely successful and if you’re living your life in complete privacy or not. It’s bizarre. I’ll be talking to my girlfriend about something and the next thing I know, I turn on my computer and Amazon or whatever is suggesting that thing to me. I’m like, “Did I even search for that? I don’t think I did.” It’s spooky stuff going on. I always find it interesting when a random person requests to go in your life and you don’t know. I’ve never approved one of them but I noticed a couple of other people besides you.

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It’s like Dolores the Realtor 96 and you’re like, “Dolores the Realtor, I’m not looking for an appraisal on my live feed.”

That could be fun though, talking about getting uncomfortable. Maybe one day, you pick a day and say, “Anybody wants to come on, come on,” and see what happens.

I’m going to start approving all of them and be like, “Here you are.”

It takes a lot of courage to request, especially somebody who’s probably looking up to you or follows your podcast. I personally would feel super intimidated.

Let’s the three of us, make a pact to do Instagram roulette and let anybody on. The stories will be amazing.

I’m never doing anything that important anyway. I wouldn’t do it in the middle of an interview but oftentimes, I’m live streaming, playing guitar, and screwing around. Maybe I’ll meet someone interesting. Who knows?

Did you ever use Chatroulette?

I’ve not heard of Chatroulette.

It was big back in 2013 for sure because Jason and I ended up meeting one of the Chatroulette stars who used it to become big on YouTube. That was a platform where you could go on and it still exists in some form or another. It was a little bit ahead of its time. You could go on and video chat with random strangers. There were a lot of like pornography things happening, but for the most part, it was average people bored on there chatting with one another. All sorts of entertaining things could happen in nice connections with people and I used it a few times. It had been around for at least a few years before it became big in 2013 and then faded away. It was fascinating. It’s a great example of how many of us are looking for a connection. During COVID-19, that would be the perfect platform for all these people at home alone, bored, lonely, and wanting to talk to someone. You could create your own version of that through your Instagram Live and have some fun.

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I’m going to date myself and go back to something I totally forgot about. It must have been in the ‘70s when I was little, you could pick up your phone and get on a party line. Do you remember that?

Yeah, because I was also born in the ‘70s.

There’ll be random fools on the phone you didn’t know who they were and they were in your area. I don’t remember how they work but you’ll be on with multiple people on a group call shooting the crap.

It reminds me of something else I saw and I sent it to you Jason because I feel like you would have appreciated this much more than me, which was a bunch of people from ESPN, some of the anchors or people that worked there, they created a Zoom version of that party line. It started off with five of them and each of them invited famous sportspeople or random celebrities they knew to see who could get the most famous person onto the Zoom. I’m not going to spoil it. You have to watch it. Most of them are sports people that I didn’t know and some of them I did. There was one musician, one actor from a TV show I knew or a couple of actors, and it is hilarious. It was a 10-minute long video. These celebrities are showing up to the Zoom having no idea why they were there. They knew somebody invited them, but they didn’t know what was happening. It’s sweet in a way and funny because you see people are at home. They have nothing better to do and they think, “I’ll go on Zoom and see what happens.” This is all new to us. It’s never quite happened like this before. Seeing all the random ways that we’re looking for a connection with one another is cool.

I’m going to start approving people randomly that try to join my IG Lives.

Luke, it’s going to be amazing, honestly. Luke and Whitney, I have something that I’m curious about. I sometimes feel conflicting parts of my desires. I’ve lived in big cities my whole life. LA for thirteen years, New York, San Francisco. I grew up in Detroit. I’ve been a city guy my whole life. There’s an energy of art, music, connection and community, in particular living in LA for long that I love. The biggest reason why I continue to choose to live in Los Angeles is the community, art and vibrancy I feel here. Like you, Luke, I have a deep affinity, maybe borderline obsession, with a tiny house, off-grid living and modern design, that Zen aesthetic. Every time you post something on Instagram, I like it so I can like it again. You and I share this affinity as does Whitney have. This idea of moving to Utah or Colorado and living off-grid in a beautiful, for me, a Zen tiny house that I would build myself. It’s been a dream I’ve had for many years.

I’m curious because I feel a conflict of wanting to stay in the community and wanting to be with this great group of friends and colleagues, yourself included, here in LA that we have access to, that we get to hang out with and share resources with. There’s a part of my soul that wants to get out and go to Utah, Colorado, and maybe even out of the country, live in the wilderness and be away from everyone. I feel my soul is leaning more into that feeling. I feel a conflict within myself. I’m curious because you and I have such a similar vibe, aesthetic and our vision of where we ultimately want to live. Every time I see you post, I’m like, “Amen.” What’s your relationship to that? You’ve been in LA for a long time and sometimes I see your stuff and I’m like, “Is this guy just going to pick up and leave? Why is he still here?” I feel that pull too within myself. I’m curious what keeps you in LA and why you haven’t run to the wilderness already?

Quitting LA is like quitting the mafia. No matter how hard you try, you’re going back to it.

I will say the same thing about New York. I always feel amazed when somebody decides to move to LA from New York because a lot of New Yorkers are like, “I’ll never live in LA. I’ll never be an LA person.” They come out here and they’re like, “This is nice.”

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I’ve noticed that a lot. Almost every New Yorker hated LA and then all of a sudden, they all started moving here, and then the rents went up. I moved to LA in 1989 when I was nineteen years old. The opportunities to connect with the community here, the lifestyle of having one million yoga studios, sound best studios and meditation studios, and the beach and the mountains. There are many like-minded people, amazing health food stores, and organic food of every variety all over the place. It’s the addiction of convenience to having everything at your disposal. When I travel, sometimes, I realize how spoiled I am. Within 15 to 20 minutes of where I live, there are endless possibilities of what to do with myself. During the government shutdown, I’ve also observed, I live in Laurel Canyon, a little bit outside of the city, 8 minutes or so, but it feels out of the city, I don’t care about what’s going on in town. I have no desire to go anywhere or do anything.

That’s partially due to the fact that I love my amazing girlfriend and she’s in the house, so all is well. We have her cat and my dog and it’s chill, but I’m also a homebody. This has been a great opportunity for me to test what it would be like to live somewhere that’s a bit more remote. Every time I think about moving somewhere, I get bored and I get stir crazy because there’s nothing to do. I want to go out, have opportunities to visit with people and socialize, and things like that, but when I’m not doing that, I realized I don’t miss it at all. I could be living in the middle of anywhere and I would be fine. I don’t know how long that’s going to last, maybe in two months. If this keeps up, I might be going crazy, but I feel good. That’s a hopeful sign for me. More than anything, what motivates me to explore the options is living in any major city is the antithesis of being healthy. I don’t want to bum anyone out that lives in a city. The more educated I get on all of the various types of pollution from electrosmog in the form of EMF to air pollution, noise pollution and everything that happens to you when you live in a city with a lot of other people is real.

I become more and more aware of that. I also feel myself getting worn out with traffic and noise and stress. I get acclimated to it and I get used to it like a frog boiling in water. Then when I leave town and even go out to Joshua Tree or Ohio or somewhere for the weekend, the minute I leave LA County and get out into nature, I can feel my nervous system take this huge sigh of relief. When I experienced that contrast, that’s when I go, “What the hell am I living in the city for? That place sucks.” I don’t notice it when I’m here. It is this phenomenon every time I leave.

My dad lives in Colorado in a town called Carbondale. It’s near Aspen. That’s where I spent a lot of time as a kid. He’s always lived there, his whole life and my whole life. Every time I get out there, I get off the plane at the little Aspen airport and I look around and I go, “What am I doing? Why don’t I just live here?” I’m in this purgatory space because I don’t want to live in a city anymore, but I also don’t want to live somewhere where it snows and is freezing. I like having access to record my podcasts in person. I am in this place of trusting in God and in the greater plan that I’m going to end up somewhere that maybe is perhaps a happy medium, where I can be relatively accessible to record and make the content that I make. Also, be able to spend much more time in nature and be in a lower population density.

When you look at human illnesses of all types, they are exponentially higher wherever people are smashed together in the way that we are in cities. It’s my personal belief that this is why in a city like New York, this virus or whatever this thing that’s going has seemingly affected so many more people because everyone’s on top of each other, and also because it’s cold. More people get the flu shot there, which is a whole other thing where flu shots make you test positive for COVID-19 apparently, which is interesting. When I get out of densely populated areas, I feel much better. I do have a strong intention to find a solution. I don’t know how far off-grid I can go and still create the content that I do with the level of quality that I’m able to.

If you’re as big as Joe Rogan, you could live in the middle of the tundra somewhere and people would fly out and be on your show. I don’t know that I’m quite to that place yet. I could probably get out of the city by a couple of hours and still get people to come out live to the studio. I also can travel and record batches of shows when I go to other places, which I’ve been doing for the past years also. I’m with you and I don’t know what the solution is. I know that I don’t want to be in the middle of this city, especially a city that has a 5G network in place. It’s a long conversation to explain to people all about that because there’s a lot of misinformation but I will say that there are two phases of 5G rolling out around the world and we’re in the first phase, which is bad. It’s an upgrade of 4G. It’s not the gnarly, scary phase two of 5G which is something called millimeter waves, which is when crap gets gnarly. I would never live anywhere for five minutes that has the real 5G up and running. That’s how dangerous it is.

We have an enhanced 4G where they’re using the existing infrastructure and building it out even more. The problem with the 5G in a city like LA is not that its millimeter waves which even dimwitted people understand it’s dangerous. They’re piggybacking on 3G and 4G, building more towers. They’re contributing to a number of different frequencies. It’s not only that we have more radiation but it’s a wider spectrum in terms of the range of those frequencies and that’s the 5G which is also bad. The level of radiation and how it affects people that are electrically sensitive like I am is going to be present in any major city and the only way to avoid that is to get in a lower population density area, at least where you spend the most of your time. That’s my goal.

In closing, I’ll also add one further level of complexity to my personal situation and that is my lovely girlfriend that I’ve been speaking highly of is excited to be in LA after being in New York City for years. She feels like she’s already living somewhere that’s healthy and happy and has much more space. She’s like, “I’ve been dreaming of moving to LA forever and you want to move me to some small town. I’m not down with that.” I don’t know. It’s like a surrender and a trust and being open to the possibilities and exploring a little bit and probably compromising now that it’s not just me making the decisions. I have to be somewhere where my partner feels vibrant and is able to be successful and live her best life also. It’s tough, dude.

Even in the lockdown, I drive around town and I’m like, “I drive for 20p minutes and I have a headache from all the cell towers. It’s out of control.” If you become educated about EMF, it’s even worse because then you have the psychosomatic nocebo, negative placebo effect that you feel even worse because you expect to feel bad. This gets into the whole Bruce Lipton, Joe Dispenza quantum reality where you could and should be able to mitigate some of the effects of those energies by building up your own auric field and not allowing those fearful thoughts to lower your defenses, which is what happens. It’s a Law of Diminishing Returns on that, a double jeopardy situation because whether you’re conscious of it or not, EMFs are hurting you in a city big time. Any big city like this, you’re getting fried straight up.

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I’ve got twenty interviews on it with some of the most brilliant people in the world and they all scientifically validate that fact. If you don’t know it, it’s not quite as bad as if you know it and you’re also getting fried. You then have your conscious mind that’s going, “I’m stopped at a red light and there is a 5G tower 30 feet from my head.” That compounds the negative impact. It’s tricky. For me, the EMF pollution and air and noise pollution are a good reason to not live in a city.

This is one thing as we get close to wrapping up and I appreciate your wisdom, your heart, and your time so much. You opened up a new little window I wanted to discuss with you and make sure we got to. Much like yourself and Whitney, the three of us are incredibly passionate about wellness and human optimization and health. Certainly, I’ve learned so much from you in terms of supplements and biohacking. You were the first person ever turned me on to molecular hydrogen and a lot of other stuff at the biohacking conference a few years ago. Getting into the saunas, the ozone chambers, the zappers, and antiviral stuff, I could go on and on about all the technologies, supplements, and nutraceuticals that the three of us know and love and use.

I have noticed myself piggybacking on what you said, Luke, about getting perhaps orthorexic to a degree where I feel like I have to do everything on level 100 all the time and realizing that sometimes my desire to do the sauna and the cryo and all the supplements. I probably take 40 supplements a day. I sometimes wonder, I’m like, “Are you doing this out of fear or are you doing this out of the fact that you love it and it does make you feel good?” For me, on a psychological level, it’s a fine line of me questioning whether I’m doing these things because I’m afraid of getting sick. If I don’t do them, I’m lowering my defenses versus, “You got into this because it was joyful and you had fun with it. That’s why you got into cooking nutrition and all of this stuff.” You sparked something in me of considering that fine line between taking it too far and me freaking out if I’m not doing everything humanly possible for my health and letting it go and saying, “I’m doing the best I can. Someday this meat suit I’m in is going to deteriorate and die. I got to do the best I can do.”

Such a great point and brilliantly articulated. I’m going to answer honestly because I enjoy calling myself out. I’m neurotic. I see the root of a lot of the practices that I participate in and the amount of time and energy I put into focusing on my physical body and my well-being. If you followed me around my house for a day, it’s ridiculous. If I even gave you what I did now, we would be here for another hour. The pills that I pop, the things I inject into my body, all the different devices. There’s probably $100,000 worth of equipment in this house. You could open up your own cancer healing center with all the crap I have in here. I’m not even exaggerating, nor am I bragging or anything. I spend my money on that instead of other things.

There is a fine line there that you accurately identified it. One side of it, on the healthy side, in terms of mental health side is that I’ve been gifted this vehicle, called the body, that the creator has given me to have the human experience here on the material plane. It’s the most complex beautiful, fascinating car you could ever want to have. It was given to me for free. I have a duty to the creator that gave me this body to have this human experience and to learn these Earth lessons to care for that body like I would my own child or an expensive car.

Imagine I asked you what your dream car is, Jason, and you’re like, “2021 Lamborghini X7.” I’m like, “That’s cool, I’ll be right over.” I drop that off in your garage and you go out and pour crude oil in the gas tank and run it into every curb you can. You wouldn’t want to disrespect such a beautiful gift. The positive way of looking at the body is I’m going to work out and I’m going to eat whatever food seemed to be the purest and clean, and in alignment with my biology. I’m going to do everything I can to be healthy and I’m going to take care of this body so I feel good and I look good. I’m honoring the gift. That’s the positive side. That’s valid. Most people would be well served to err on that side more than they do based on the levels of disease and degradation we see as a species on the whole.

The neurotic side of it and when I say I’m neurotic, I’m not being self-deprecating. I love myself and I love how crazy I am. I love how obsessive I am. I’m with a partner that for the first time in my life loves that or else she doesn’t even notice the parts of me. She notices but she thinks it’s funny. She doesn’t resent me because I’m such a nut. She’s like, “There he goes again. That’s cute.” She enjoys some of it. If something’s wrong with her I can probably fix it too. I’m an armchair doctor here.

The other side of it is, and I’ve looked into this, because people have called me out on it like, “Seriously, why do you have to be extra with all this crap? Live your life.” It was my friend Neil Strauss that called me out on it one day in a kind and loving way. He said, “Luke, why are you in all this biohacking stuff? Why do you go so far with everything?” I said, “I want to feel good. I don’t want ever to get sick unnecessarily. I want to live a long, healthy, prosperous life.” He said, “When I think of it, it might be true. What I think is it’s all about control.” He knows my past. He says, “As a kid, you were in a lot of traumatic experiences in which you had no control. As you’ve grown into adulthood, you’ve learned that one thing you can exert control over in order to feel safe.” In those situations I described, I felt unsafe and vulnerable and was harmed as a result of my vulnerability.

He said, “As an adult, you do everything you can to control your entire environment 24/7 in an effort not to get hurt.” Something along those lines and he said, “This is all your childhood trauma coming up as control issues for you.” I was like, “There’s a lot of truth in that.” It goes back even into my childhood when I first started doing drugs. That’s why I did drugs, to control my perception of my reality because my reality was painful. At eight years old, I smoked a bunch of weed. I could change my whole universe in 5 minutes or any of the other things I adopted later on that were even more mind-altering. I’ve always been someone who likes to change my environment or the way I feel about my environment or perceive my environment on a dime and I want to have control over it all the time, and I do.

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I came in to do this show and I was like, “I’m like 5% groggy and brain foggy. What can I do?” I made a cocktail with piracetam and a bunch of cayenne pepper extract and some different herbs that are the precursors to neurotransmitters and a quarter modafinil. I injected some procaine into my glute. I did enough crap to kill a horse in 5 minutes to come to this interview. I put on my little vibrating thing, my Apollo on my ankle. I was like, “Now I’m ready to have a conversation.” I was about controlling the way that I feel so I can control this experience. Is there anything wrong with that? I don’t know. Where that fine line gets defined is in our ability to be honest with ourselves and acknowledge, “Perhaps I’m a little out of balance here.” Educated with that information, I can elect to stay out of balance or not but I’m going to do it from a place of awareness rather than a place of blindness and ignorance.

In other words, if somebody calls me out on something and says, “You’re obsessive and compulsive about all of these biohacks.” Rather than being defensive and projecting that back on them or whatever the case may be, I can take a look at it and go, “You’re right. I wonder why I’m like that. I see. I had these experiences as a kid.” They created a fertile environment for me to be someone who feels like I need to protect myself all the time. Maybe I could look into that and maybe there’s a way that I could feel safer and freer and that I don’t have to control things in the way that I do with such commitment. I’m willing to explore that. Also, in the meantime, would you please hand me that needle so I can shoot peptides in my elbow?

I’m willing to evolve and change and outgrow these attachments at any given moment. I’m willing to surrender them, but so far that hasn’t happened to me. I’ve even prayed in a ceremony on this issue and even had a fear, “Am I going to walk out of this ayahuasca retreat and never take a supplement ever again because I realized how attached I am to it?” I don’t want to let go of that attachment because I feel like I need to protect myself and be safe and healthy. I’m in there on the medicine and I go, “Luke, you’re a nut. That’s who you are. Chill, roll with it. You’re going to be this way until nature decides that it’s time to evolve into a different experience.”

I have a playful relationship with these practices and I do my best to keep an objective awareness about how extreme I am. I will also add that it’s my job. I’m the guinea pig that’s going to trial this crap and then report to whoever wants to listen to me on what was effective and what wasn’t and save everyone the time and energy of doing it themselves and possibly harming themselves from doing it wrong or too much. I’m willing to take some risk and try some things out. I’m sure I get things wrong sometimes and when I do, I tell people like, “This thing’s cool but be careful.” A great example would be ketamine, which is a useful tool. It can be used in a somewhat psychedelic fashion. It’s used quite widely in different therapeutic models by psychotherapists and psychologists.

I would experiment periodically with something like ketamine and use it for meditations and journeys and have an intention and find something I want to work on. I had a new version of it and it was the same milligrams but it was a lozenge instead of a nose spray. I took one and I lost my freaking mind and went far out. During the experience, this is going to sound crazy because it was, I thought that I had entered into another dimension and lost my body and that I was not going to be able to get back into being Luke, in my body lying in bed with my girlfriend who was asleep and had no idea any of this was going on. That’s what a K hole I went into trying to have a nice light little meditation before I went to sleep.

Was that extreme? Yeah, it was extreme as hell. Was it an accident completely? Am I trying to abuse ketamine for recreational purposes? Not at all, I’m not doing that and never going to do that. That’s not my path. Now I can come back and say, “For some people, this particular substance could be useful if done intentionally.” I would add, please make sure you have professional guidance and be mindful of the poisons in the dose. That was a great example of me not even intentionally pushing the envelope a little bit and coming back going, “Overdid it a little too much there. That was not what I was going for.” Now, I can be the one that can give heed of warning to people that are experimenting with things like microdosing and psychedelics and whatever they might be doing.

I’m personally having fun with it and have made a career in part out of that side of what I do. A lot of the other stuff is in consciousness and meditation and spirituality, but I do like the physical stuff. You asked me a loaded question, one that I’ve thought a lot about. In closing, I have many people that asked me, “Couldn’t you live a normal life and be healthy without doing all that stuff?” My answer to that is, “Not really. You can’t.” We’ve gone too far out of balance with the cosmos, with Mother Nature, with the planet, with our food systems, with our water systems, with our energetic environmental systems.

If you were a hunter-gatherer person, pre-agricultural revolution, you wouldn’t need any of this bullcrap. Red light therapy, PMF, saunas, supplements, you would not need any of that. Have you ever seen pictures from the Weston Price research of hunter-gatherer people that he went around the world and studied? These people are beasts, perfect teeth, perfect bone structure, muscle-bound could throw a car across the parking lot. They didn’t have any freaking supplements or biohacks because they had not been exposed to hybridized, industrialized food nor were they exposed to EMFs or fluoride in the water or had not been vaccinated or circumcised, not breastfed. All of the things that are part and parcel to being a modern human weren’t present.

If you could go back in time, you could be healthy and not do any of this crap. Could you do that now? I don’t believe you can. That’s not to say that everyone needs to do all the stuff I do. You could still be happy. As long as someone meditates and they have supportive, loving relationships, they’re going to be fine. If you shop at Ralphs, you eat GMO food, you drink tap water, you live next to a cell tower, and your Wi-Fi router is under your bed, you’re going to have problems. Biology is fragile. The human protoplasmic meat suit that we’ve been gifted is extremely fragile. It goes out of balance easily. It’s also resilient, but it needs tools to maintain that resilience when there are many forces of anti-nature working against it. That’s my take on it and I’m going to be as obsessive as I please because I have a lot of fun.

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A key component too is enjoying it. It’s like anything else, when you love something, when you enjoy the process of it, then do it. If somebody doesn’t enjoy something then maybe they shouldn’t be doing it that way exactly. The great thing with all the convenience that we have during this time that we live is we have access to things all over the place. Whenever people tell me that it’s too hard to live healthily, I question that because there are many different ways to get access to healthy changes in your life. It could be as simple as meditating. It can be as simple as starting to grow your own food or ordering healthier food online and having it delivered to you. There are many avenues you can go down.

The hardest part is starting and finding a way to enjoy it or finding what you enjoy. It’s similar to the plant-based diet when people say, “I don’t like that food.” It’s funny to me because there are many plant-based foods out there. How can you possibly say you don’t like plant-based food when there are different versions? Even a single type of food like an apple, there are many different types of apple. You can’t just say that you don’t like apples as a whole category unless you’ve tried them all. The difference is that the three of us enjoy experimenting with all of this. This is why this is our career. Some people don’t enjoy it as much as us and that’s fine. As long as they can do the basics, that’s the most important element of it. If they think that we’re doing too much or too obsessed about this, it’s all a matter of perspective and pleasure.

Also, acknowledging that we’re all going to leave this body. I don’t trick myself into thinking that if I take all these supplements and do all the things that I do that I’m going to live until I’m 500. I have no desire to stay in this body one second longer than the Creator that made this body and put my spirit into it wants me to. If I get hit by a bus and it’s my time to go, it doesn’t matter how many supplements I took. For me, it’s not about trying to be here forever. I want to feel as good as I possibly can while I’m here. As you pointed to, it happens to be something that I’m into and passionate about. I understand that many people aren’t. They find it boring.

Sometimes I observe Alyson and she’s healthy. She is sick less than me. If you compare us, I don’t know about our lab work but based on how awesome she feels most of the time and granted she’s a few years younger than I, I don’t think she needs to do all the stuff I’m doing because she feels great. She’s fine. She has a strong constitution is my take on it. I’m always fascinated that she doesn’t give a crap about all the resources here at the house. She could be taking all my supplements and doing all my things for free and she’s like, “Whatever.” She doesn’t even notice because she’s not that interested in that stuff. She’s a shaman. She’s living her life, doing her things. She doesn’t get off and digging through the supplement cabinet every morning and taking 50 vitamins. It’s not interesting to her.

There are things she’s interested in. She has her altar in our room and she pulls these cards and does these different practices. They seem to support her and are helpful to her. She’s passionate about them and she loves them. I’m not interested in them at all. It doesn’t mean they don’t work or that she’s wrong for doing them. It’s not my bag, at least not yet. Her bag is not going in a hyperbaric oxygen chamber every single day, then hopping in the ice bath followed by red light therapy then getting in the sauna and taking a spin on the bio charger while inhaling molecular hydrogen gas. She’s like, “Who has time for this? I’ve other crap to do.” I don’t fault her for that either. It’s great.

I’m able to enjoy that we’re different. Most people are not mad scientists like me that enjoy learning about all this stuff and experimenting with it all. Even my failed ketamine experiment, it was unpleasant for a few minutes but I was like, “That was interesting. I’m glad to know how that works.” Now I know something I didn’t know. It becomes part of my lexicon and body of knowledge that I can share with people. My number one character trait or strength is input. I’m constantly getting input. Some people like model trains and that’s all they want to do. I could give a crap about model trains.

I’m fascinated about what peptide does to you and what you can fix with it. It’s about self-acceptance and self-exploration and also a willingness to let go of attachments and be willing to evolve. If I’m supposed to outgrow this crap and eat the meat and veggies eventually I like that are organic. Drink some spring water and not do anything else except that meditate, breath work and sleep, jump in a river here and there and I feel amazing and healthy and vibrant, I’ll probably do that.

It’s an ongoing exploration no matter what angle you come at it from. The most humbling thing about life is knowing that we have a lot less control than we think that we do. Be mindful of when our ego is roaring its angry head and realizing that we don’t know what’s going to happen a minute from now. It’s important what you said about enjoying the process of whatever you’re doing and also trying not to judge people for doing it differently. That’s always been my work. All three of us, we get passionate and excited about this and we learn something. We want to make sure that everybody knows the same information that we have. I’ve had to realize that not everybody wants to know it all. Not everybody enjoys it.

Some people get overwhelmed by that information. Some people find it confusing and frustrating. Some people have conflicting information and they want to do it differently. It’s helped me grow a lot as a person to have a lot of acceptance for the fact that everybody’s in different places. Even if they seem unhealthy or miserable, I can help them. There’s only so much that you can do for them and there’s also only so much that we can do for ourselves. Finding the joy in it all and then letting go of the rest has helped me out a lot with my health journey.

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A great reminder for me is also to mind your own business. I know that I’ve driven a partner and friend crazy by sitting there and hawk-eyeing the food on their plate and rolling my eyes like, “Really? There’s canola oil in that. Do you know what canola oil does to you?” It’s like, “Shut up. Mind your own business.” I’ve gotten a lot better at that. I’m not perfect. I’m not all the way there but I do my best to keep my perceived opinions about things unless someone asks me, but God forbid they ask. You guys are discovering 2 hours and 18 minutes later, you’re going to have the answer. It is important to allow people to have their own autonomy. If they want to drive their car off a bridge and they haven’t asked you to steer them right, mind your business. That’s their path. Like my path is my path, to some people, it’s extreme and obsessive. It’s like, “Cool. It’s also fun.” It is what it is. You eat your GMOs. If the wheels fall off, I’ll be here to help you.

I feel like the ultimate form of becoming Zen is when you can let go of trying to control other people in what they do. I have started to find more joy in it because I remember what it was like and I still do it times when I try to encourage or control somebody or persuade them. It’s a tendency of mine as well that I don’t know if it’s the way I’ll always be or the way that I have been. I’m ongoingly trying not to be controlling to other people, and it’s tough to unravel those parts of you. I found that when I let somebody ask me questions or ask for more information, that is also a pleasant experience because when they do come around and they ask questions, it feels even more pleasurable emotionally than the times when I would try to force my opinions on somebody else.

That discomfort of them pushing back or saying no, that was never a good feeling. You’d spend half an hour sharing something and they wouldn’t even be interested in the end. Then you feel like you wasted all this energy trying to convince them of something, versus you expel little amounts of energy and you wait for them to ask you for more information. It weeds things out. Make sure that you don’t waste any of our precious energy or time, which is one of our most important resources. You get to find out who cares and wants that information and who’s going to enjoy it with you.

That’s a great distinction. When I first learned to meditate in a tangible way with Vedic meditation, I set out to make all of my other friends learn how to meditate in the same exact way because I found the way you. I realized that the folly in that and that the best way to share things that you find that are valuable is to live them and radiate the results of your practices or lifestyle. Eventually, if people are meant to, they’re going to be attracted to that light and they’re going to come around and say, “What have you been doing? You seem different. You’re chill. When I’m around you, I feel relaxed. I feel good. What’s your secret? What are you up to?” “I’ve been doing this meditation and here’s how it works. If you’d like to try it, this is the person to talk to.” Rather than cramming it down to everyone’s throat. It’s the principle of attraction rather than the promotion of being an example of good living and allowing people on their own volition to inquire as to what you’re doing and how so that they might be able to try it themselves.

That also is probably why all three of us have shows because we think, “People don’t want to listen to what I’m saying. I’ll put it out there and the people that want to listen can listen when they feel it.”

When you started talking about that, I thought of something funny that happened. It wasn’t that funny but it was a micro-example of that. I went upstairs to go to bed and Alyson was already in bed. My whole house at night is wired with amber light bulbs. There’s no blue light in the house anywhere at night, except I put a bright white light in her side of the bathroom if she wants to do her makeup or see what’s going on. I never turned that one on at night. Also, all the computers are outfitted with this app called Iris that turns off the blue light at night. You can put different settings on it so that it’s timed like that.

Every night, after dark, I put my iPhone on a solid red light. I did it to Alyson’s phone one day when I was being the controlling boyfriend that I am. Most of the time at night, she started doing it, which I was like, “That’s cool.” I was overstepping boundaries a little bit by grabbing her phone and doing that. I got in bed and I saw the blue light coming off her phone and she was scrolling or looking at something and there’s this bright blue light shining in her face and I wanted so bad to be like, “Turn the red light on. What are you doing?” I observed that, thankfully. I shut up and got to bed and let her live her life. It’s a good little tiny lesson in me not trying to impose my will on other people, because how annoying is that?

I would be crazy if someone were always watching me and trying to tell me what to do. I don’t ever want to be that person. I’m getting a lot better at letting it go. I find when I do that, people on their own arrive at some of the same habits that you have because you get in sync. You synchronize. When you’re cohabitating with someone, you get in a groove and you do things the same way. That’s the nice thing about surrendering and not trying to control the minutiae of someone else’s life and hoping that you converge in a way that’s copacetic enough for you both to stay happy and maintain your individuality.

I love that this came full circle because the conversation started to kick into full gear when you were talking about Alyson at the beginning of this episode. It’s beautiful to see how it all tied together like a bow and ending on such a sweet story. It also is such a great reminder of how much we can evolve as people and how much we can learn from our relationships. Hearing you talk about that helps me reflect on the times where I’ve gotten a little out of control by being too controlling in my romantic and even family and friendships dynamics. Those are always such a great reflection of where we’re at and how much we can grow as human beings.

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It’s wonderful when we have those opportunities to see ourselves through the reflection of some other person in our lives, thank you for reflecting that back. Your relationship with her is beautiful. I can speak for Jason but he’ll probably echo this. It’s sweet. It reminds me of a lot of things that Jason talks about and things that he looks for in a partner. I know that he’s probably enjoyed this as well. Haven’t you, Jason?

Big time, for many reasons. Luke, you and I have known each other for years. We first met at The Longevity Now Conference. I was a guest on your podcast in the early days. I feel like this time together, you’ve been open and from the heart and soul, no bullcrap in yourself and vulnerable. All of the things people talk about you are being it. I want to extend my appreciation for you showing up in that way. I feel closer to you as a person as a result of this conversation and it feels good. I feel like I know you on a deeper level. Thank you for showing up in all of the ways. It’s meaningful.

Thank you. I’m glad you mentioned coming on my podcast because I want to thank you for doing so. When I started out, I had so much self-doubt and imposter syndrome. It was quite intimidating and scary to ask people like you and many other people to come on the show. It’s funny looking back because the hard part is telling people no because, whatever reason, logistically timing-wise or it’s not a good fit, it’s come a long way from having too many guests and not having enough. I appreciate you being willing to do that when my podcast was heard by a few people and I had no credibility or reputation at all in the health and wellness space. You were kind enough to come to spend your time and contribute your credibility, following, and all of that to the show. It’s nice to see it come full circle.

It’s like karma too because we can relate to that being relatively new. The journey that our show has been on since we first started our episodes, we can relate to that nervousness. I remember, Jason, there was one of our guests and he expressed to me that he was feeling not-enoughness. I don’t know how you could step in and share it, Jason, but it was somebody else who had a big platform that we were blessed to have on our show. Jason said something like, “I’m a little embarrassed about where we’re at with our show.”

It’s always interesting. Luke, when I think back when I first started listening to your show, since I listened to the first if not the second episode of your show to look at other examples out there. I was impressed by what you were doing so early on. I see no shame in it. It’s important for us to step back. Being humble is an important characteristic. Also, a lot of times, we’re hard on ourselves. We think that other people are viewing us as harshly as we view ourselves and usually that isn’t true. We’re probably doing a much better job than we realize. You have certainly been an amazing example to us as a podcaster. We’re grateful to have you on the show. I hope that some of your readers learned something new about you. That’s always our aim, to have guests on and talk in a way that maybe they haven’t before. We look forward to some feedback if you shared anything new or differently on this episode that your readers have enjoyed and maybe they’ll stick around and read some other episodes of ours.

That’s a great format, the basis of your show is that. I never expressly say that but that’s always my goal when I interview someone. In fact, to the point that I’ll usually listen to every interview they’ve ever done that I can find. Part of my whole strategy is to ask them something different than anyone else has ever asked them. I listened to their other interviews to determine what I’m not going to ask them when I interview them. It keeps it more spontaneous and fun. Also, I find that when I interview people, this happened when I interviewed Joe Dispenza because he’s been interviewed so much and he says the same stuff in most of them. He has his take on the world and has his spiel, which is brilliant but it isn’t always as spontaneous as I would like it to be. There were questions I had that were a bit deeper and we’re going to serve my personal curiosity. I listened to all of his interviews and I asked him all this off the wall crap.

I remember sitting there with him and he was looking at me like, “This dude is interesting.” I could tell he was wigging it because they were bizarre. I was asking about the entities and his workshops and if ayahuasca does the same thing as his meditations, a lot of out-there stuff. I could tell he was having fun and wasn’t bored. He was like, “I have to explain the quantum theory to someone again.” You guys are onto something great. Even in the name of your show and how you’re doing it to get people out of their comfort zone and break them out of that rote interview mode, which is tedious for everyone, especially when you’re interviewing people that can be heard on a number of other platforms. You want to do something unique. It’s cool that you do it that way.

This is the longest episode we’ve ever done. Congratulations. It’s fun because working with the podcast teams and advisors, everyone’s saying, “You need to keep it under 20 minutes because that’s how long the commutes are.” Jason and I have been rebellious. We aren’t making them as long as you want them to be. It’s always amazing when you can get a good example. Our best example is Joe Rogan’s episode with Elon Musk, which was 3 hours or something. I listened to almost the entire show because it was fascinating. Elon Musk was talking in a way that I’d never heard him talk before. I was learning so much about him. I thought, “This is amazing. I don’t ever want this to end.” I feel like you do that too, Luke. You were, honestly. You can ask Jason. I remember early on saying like, “Luke’s show is a perfect example of how we want to do ours.” It’s cool.

I tried to make mine an hour and it was impossible. If someone doesn’t want to leave and I have more questions than answers, it’s going to go as long as it has to go. When I go on shows, if you guys said, “We’re going to wrap it up in an hour.” That’s fine too but if you keep asking me, I’ll keep going until the cows come home. There’s so much great experience and knowledge to share. While we have the ability to do so using these platforms that we have as independent media producers and quasi-journalist, I’m going for it. I encourage you to make them as long as you feel they need to be. You can feel when a conversation is getting stale, too. Sometimes I’ll be talking to someone, I’m like, “This feels done,” and then I end it. It’s not 55 minutes or 1 hour and 15 minutes. They might have said, “I’m free all afternoon.” I go, “We’re good.” It’s a perfect spot to put a blow in it and wrap it up.

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The challenge with you though is that we never want to end it. You gave us all this free time. It’s endless. I’m curious for feedback on episodes like this. It’s interesting how in the podcasting world there are all these strategies and everybody wants to optimize their shows. All three of us enjoy the lengthy in-depth conversations. I want to listen to a long podcast on a road trip and I don’t want to have to keep switching episodes. Even if I have to go on a short drive and I can only listen to fifteen minutes of something, I’ll pick it up again. It’s not like it’s going to disappear in most cases. It’s funny this mindset of having these compact episodes. Why do you have to listen to all of it in one sitting? If you are blessed, go on a long road trip, then you have a lot to listen to.

Doesn’t this go back to formula or roadmap versus trusting your intuition and trusting your gut and doing it your way? Luke, you’re going to release this spectacular book whenever it gets birthed into the world. I have no doubt it’s going to be wonderful and full of your personality, your heart, your unique take on the world. You could easily make a choice. I know you want a person could make a choice to go like, “My publisher said if I write it this way and use this title and use this cover, it’ll sell a million copies. I should probably listen to them because they’re the publisher even though it’s going against my intuition.”

There’s this rebellious aspect to listening to yourself, even in the face of your record label or your publisher or whoever is saying that, “You should do it this way to get more sales.” That’s the great artists’ challenge. How many people do we know over the years that have faced that? We’ve probably even faced it in our lives. All of us have. You have this carrot that’s being dangled in front of you and you’re like, “I’m going to go dig up my own carrot in the wilderness, a wild-grown carrot. I’m going to do it my way.” That takes a lot of fortitude. That takes a lot of will to be able to do that. Kudos to you. Thanks for the support, doing it our way too. We’re like, “We’re doing it our way.” The chips are going to fall how they fall.

That’s funny that you mentioned the book thing because I was on a guided journey with a healer. I’ve been kicking around the idea of doing a book for a while. I’ll give you the short version of it. During this experience, I started asking questions, “What is this book? What’s it about? How come I can’t get this going?” It became clear to me that my motive for wanting to write a book was based on self-interest, what it could do for me, how I could make money, become famous, and get paid to speak at big conferences. All my friends have books and it’s helping them. That was the basis of my motivation.

In that experience, I realized, “I’m not doing it for that reason.” No offense to anyone that does it for that reason. It’s a great business move strategically and business is great. That’s not the book I wanted to write. In that realization, which went on for quite a while, I realized, “I have something inside me, a concept for a book that’s going to help a lot of people.” I switched the motive. I was like, “I want to help alleviate suffering in the world and help people to find answers to questions existentially that I believe would serve them.” At that moment, the title of the book and the cover of the book came into my awareness, which I’m not going to reveal because I don’t want to blow my wad on that.

The title of the book and the cover of the book and then the thought was like, “What if you can’t get published? What if nobody wants it? What if they want to change the thing and they don’t like that title or what you want it to be about, etc.” At that moment, I was like, “This is what it is. That’s it.” If I had to put it out myself or printed at Kinko’s and put it on street corners, whatever, this is the book and that’s what it’s called and this is the cover. That’s it. I don’t know if that’s going to be the right business move but it’s going to be the right move from my heart and it’s going to be the book that has the most energetic power to help people transform and heal themselves. That’s what the intention of it is and the goal of it is. That’s what it’s going to be and I don’t care how long it is, how short it is.

You work with editors and you make it as impactful as possible. As far as being told what it’s supposed to be so I could make money, like, “Money is a feeble motivation for doing something that is going to maybe alternatively stand the test of time and be impactful for a number of people.” Long after you’re gone, it’s more of the legacy of it and having something that is long-standing. It’s a great point, Jason. You all do your thing. You’re killing it. Do it in whatever way serves your heart. I love that.

Since I read a lot, another book reference is Seth Godin’s book, This Is Marketing. That’s a huge theme of his book. It’s a book about marketing and yet one of the big points in the sections I’ve read so far is how everything needs to come down to serving people and helping them. We are in that same boat as you, Luke, where our work at the core is about helping alleviate as much suffering as we possibly can. I can’t wait to read your book. I love reading. I’ll be adding yours to my queue as soon as it’s available. I can’t wait to see the cover. I’m sure it’s going to be a massive success with all of your passion, knowledge and life experiences. You have such a great story, pun intended.

This is exciting. Our brand is all about helping you elevate your wellness. That’s what Wellevatr means. If you want to keep expanding your knowledge, go to the website. We’ve got a lot of free resources there, if you enjoy doing that as much as the three of us do.

Also, if you want to dive into the hundreds of incredible podcasts on the Life Stylist Podcast with Luke Storey, we will have the link to his podcast, his Instagram, his website, which has a tremendous amount. I want to say this because I learned about Lambs from you, Luke, and ordered my beanie and my underwear. If you all want to get hip to a lot of the ultra-effective wellness products, supplements and biohacking gear that Luke uses, that I’m always hip to see what he’s using and I trust him as a mentor and guide to that, check out his website, It has his shop section with links to all the stuff that he uses and buys proxy stuff that I have ordered because I trust his recommendations.

Thanks. I appreciate that. It got to be laborious to individually answer questions to people that would say, “What are the best EMF clothes?” It was like, “This is a full-time job.” I made a collection of links, affiliate links. The funny thing about my online store, as the audience has grown, has been supportive financially too, which I didn’t even realize was possible or a thing. It’s not a lot but as the audience goes, it trickles in. It’s something I would do for free anyway. It’s a bonus that people get discounts and I get a commission. It’s a great way for people to find everything in one place. Thank you for giving that a shout out. That’s kind of you.

I always trust you with your explorations and best of success to you. We both look up to you as a friend and a mentor in this field. It’s been our pleasure to have you on. Thank you for taking the time and this massive chunk out of your day to go deep with us and share your heart with our audience. I can’t wait to have a tonic with you and jam. We’ve been talking about jamming for a month. When all of this is done, tonic and jam sessions. That’s all I’m saying.

You sing too, which is great. I love hanging around people that sing because I don’t do a lot of singing. I would like too but I have a little bit of a block there. I usually like having someone else do it.

We’ll work on it. I’ll give you some vocal tips. You can give me some guitar lessons. Thanks so much, Luke. I appreciate you!


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About Luke Storey

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Luke Storey is a motivational speaker, kundalini yoga and meditation teacher, world class biohacker, host of The Life Stylist Podcast, and founder of the world’s first and only online fashion school for stylists, School of Style, which he founded in 2008




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